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Search the Scriptures Daily Program #4506a Transcript follows: Welcome to Search the Scriptures Daily, a radio ministry of The Berean Call featuring Dave Hunt and T. A. McMahon. I’m Gary Carmichael, we’re glad you could join us. Coming up in the next hour in our Understanding the Scripture segment, Dave and Tom will continue their in-depth study of the Book of Acts, and, “What must we do to be saved?” In Religion in the News, “Can the world’s religions bring peace?” We’ll take a look at that story and examine the question: “Are you confused by our website?” We hope you can stay with us. Our ministry, The Berean Call, offers a wide variety of teaching materials, including books, tracts, audio and video tapes and copies of our weekly broadcast on tape or compact disk. You may also subscribe to our monthly newsletter, which we offer free of charge. We’ll let you know how to order later in the program. Now, this week’s Cover Article. We continue our series of programs based on Dave Hunt’s book, When Will Jesus Come? This week we address the question: “Is the return of Christ imminent?” Along with Dave Hunt, here is T. A. McMahon. Tom: Thanks, Gary. You’re listening to Search the Scriptures Daily, a program in which we encourage everyone who desires to know God’s truth to look to God’s Word for all that is essential for salvation and living one’s life in a way that is pleasing to Him. In this our featured segment of Search the Scriptures Daily, we’ve been discussing Dave Hunt’s book, When Will Jesus Come? subtitled: Compelling Evidence For The Soon Return Of Christ. If you have Dave’s book, and want to follow along with our discussion, we’re currently in chapter 17. The title of the chapter is “Imminency,” and it begins with Scripture verses that declare the imminent return of Christ for His Church. Dave, you give a number of verses. Let me read them for our listeners and then we’ll go over them. I Thessalonians 1: 9-10, “For they themselves show of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.” And Hebrews 9:28, “So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” And Luke 12:35-40, “Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. And this know, that if the good man of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.” So, Dave, this is all about imminency and expectancy. Dave: Interesting expression here, Tom, “the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.” I’m sure we’ve already dealt with the . . Tom: Right, that’s Luke 12:40. Dave: Right. I’m sure we’ve already dealt with the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming. We believe in a pre-trib Rapture. And this, of course, would be one of the reasons. And, it’s very similar to a verse that you get in Matthew 24:44, “at such an hour as you think not the Son of man cometh.” Now, if He doesn’t come until the end of the Great Tribulation, this doesn’t fit at all. There is a coming at the end of the Great Tribulation when He comes with power and glory to rescue Israel in the midst of Armageddon, and you could never imagine that that was at a time when no one would expect Him. There would be nothing else to expect. Even Israel now is crying out for their Messiah and looking for Him and He has poured out upon them the spirit of supplication, repentance, and they will look upon Me whom they’ve pierced, it says. So this is referring, and people complain, well you’re talking about a secret coming. Well, this is referring to a secret coming for His own. His feet don’t touch the Mount of Olives but He catches us up to meet Him in the air. So, look what it says again: For the Son of man cometh at an hour when you think not. Look, the world is practically destroyed at the end of the Great Tribulation. You’ve seen all the signs fulfilled, you’ve seen the two witnesses, you know, and they have been killed and then their bodies lie in the street in Jerusalem for three and a half days, and suddenly they are caught up and taken to heaven. So many events foretold in the book of Revelation, you could sit there and just check them off. And then when Jerusalem is surrounded by the armies of the world led by Antichrist, you wouldn’t expect that He was coming? So, Tom, it doesn’t fit. Okay. So, this only fits with a pre-trib rapture. Furthermore, another verse that you’ve cited here: Unto them that look for Him shall He appear for the second time, Hebrews 9:28. Well, once again, we couldn’t possibly have a post-trib rapture because, well, if you’re looking for Him at the end of the Great Tribulation that would fit, but you wouldn’t be looking for Him all along, you’d be looking for Antichrist, you’d be looking for the Great Tribulation and other things, but are they looking for Him from the very beginning? Yes. You also read 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10, He’s talking about that they are waiting for His Son. They turn to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for His Son from heaven, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come---that’s another interesting expression---delivered us from the wrath to come? Not at the end of the Great Tribulation there’s been wrath poured out upon this whole earth, but we are going to be delivered from the wrath to come by a pre-trib rapture. Furthermore, “waiting for His Son.” Tom, if the Antichrist had to come first, as the pre-wrath rapture theory teaches, you’ve got to face Antichrist first. I’m not waiting for Christ to come. Why should I be waiting for Christ to come? Antichrist isn’t here yet. I can only expect Christ after Antichrist, or if it’s a post-trib rapture, why would I be waiting for Christ now, we’ve got seven years at least, there’s a seven-year Great Tribulation period. So, again, a post-trib rapture does not fit. The only thing that fits is imminency. They were taught to expect Him at any moment. Now we, of course, give other verses to that effect as well. Tom: Dave, I want to go back to Hebrews 9:28: “And unto them that look for Him shall He appear.” Is this condition for those to be raptured? Do we need to be looking for this, because we know that today is not the case for many in the Church, actually, most in the Church. Dave: Yeah, we quoted a verse from Luke 12:40, that applies to what you are talking about, Tom, “At such an hour as you think not.” So obviously, Christ himself says, I’m coming when you don’t expect me. So, unless we’re contradicting, Hebrews 9:28, which I don’t believe we are, unto them that looks for Him. I think He’s saying those who are saved, those who are expecting Christ. Not necessarily expecting Him right at that moment, but this is their hope. For example, Titus 2:13: Looking for that blessed hope, the glorious appearing of the great God our Savior. So, I don’t believe that Hebrews 9:28 is saying that if you don’t happen to be scanning the sky right at that moment when He comes, He’s not going to take you. If somehow, you sat down for dinner, a delicious meal, and you forgot to look for Christ at that moment, I don’t think so. I think it’s saying, the Christians who are looking for Him, this should be their attitude. They are expecting Him, whether they are right at that moment or not, those are the ones to whom He will appear. And furthermore, Tom, that takes us back to their criticism about what they called, the secret rapture. Who is He going to appear to? Those who are looking for Him, expecting Him, not the whole world. Tom: But Dave, doesn’t that eliminate many Christians who maybe don’t understand the Rapture, are saved, they truly know Him. Wouldn’t that put them in a position of-- Well, wait a minute! I’m not really--or let me say it this way: They don’t understand the teaching of the Rapture, would that prevent them from being taken? Dave: I don’t think so. Any Christian, no matter how simple your faith is, you believe Christ died for your sins, was buried and rose again, you must know the fact you’re going to die, so forget the Rapture, who are you expecting to see when you die? Absent from the body, present with the Lord, you’re going to be with Christ. So, I think every Christian would qualify there even though they don’t know anything about the Rapture. Well, they are all expecting to see Christ when they get to heaven. Tom: But what if they take a wrong view of the Rapture? Dave: Well, Tom, of course, the Rapture is not part of the gospel. We have probably already dealt with that. The gospel is not how that Christ died for their sins, was buried and rose again, and is coming to take us out of here, and we will meet Him and He will catch us up, and so forth. That’s not part of the gospel, that’s an addition to it. The gospel is: how that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures, was buried and rose again the third day, according to the Scriptures. And this is what Paul says saves us in Romans 1:16: I’m not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes. So, you believe the gospel, that Christ died for your sins, was buried and rose again the third day. You put your faith and trust in Him as the One who paid the full penalty for your sins. Well then, what else would you expect when you die? You don’t know about the Rapture. When you die, you know that’s going to happen, you don’t believe that that’s the end. If that were the end, what was the point of Christ dying for our sins? I mean, all that He suffered just to help us have a happier life here on this earth? And Paul, in 1 Corinthians 15, argues: Well, if in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable--let’s eat, drink and be merry, what’s the point? So, anyone who puts their faith and trust in Christ as having paid the penalty for their sins, they must believe that there is a penalty for sin. They must believe that there is a place called hell to be shunned, and a place called heaven to be desired, and that they hope, expect to see Christ when they get there, to thank Him for dying for them. Tom: So, Dave, somebody who doesn’t understand the teaching of the Rapture, somebody who, maybe takes a view that it’s a post-trib or mid-trib, if these ideas are not true to the scriptures, many of the things that we have read here that talk about the blessed hope, the expectance, and so on, they are going to be missing out on that. My point here is that the fruit of understanding the correct doctrine here, expectation, looking forward to Him, our focus is on Him, and so on, if you have an erroneous idea of these things with regard to the Rapture and when it’s going to take place, and so on, your life is not going to reflect those things, that fruit, do you think? Dave: You’re absolutely right, Tom. We quoted, I think last week, in 1 John chapter 3, he says, Everyone that has this hope in Him purifies himself, even as He is pure. So, every person recognizes they are going to die, but most people don’t think about it. My wife and I owned, and I was the administrator of a convalescent hospital. One of the things that shocked me---these are people in their nineties, some of them, eighties, some of them very ill, they don’t have long to live, they must know that, they never thought about that. They just somehow, tomorrow, tomorrow, they put it off. That was a revelation to me because I thought surely people would be concerned. Now, Tom, we’re talking about younger people, they’re not concerned. It could happen at any moment to anyone. But let’s say that a person recognizes that death---what Shakespeare said: “Aye, here’s the rub” When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, who knows what dreams may come.” He goes on to talk about: “It doth make cowards of us all.” Who would want to leave this life and go to something that you don’t know what it might be? So, let’s assume a person realizes that death is going to launch them into a sphere--- they ought to prepare for it to know what’s going to happen, where might I go? Most people don’t, Tom. I don’t know whether I’ve quoted it here on this program in the past, William Law tells the story of Nagotious (?), a young business man dying in his 35th year and his friends come to sympathize with him and one of the things he says to them is, “your thoughts are no more like my thoughts than your condition is like my condition.” I love the way William Law puts things. It’s just powerful, to the point. You can’t escape it. He says, “you’re thinking that I might be concerned that I’m not going to live long enough to stand behind a counter for a few more years and make some more bargains, some more deals, well, he says, our friend Lepodus (?) died on the way to a feast. Do you think it’s any concern of his now that he didn’t live long enough to eat of those dainties? He says, I only have one thought: what lies ahead of me. And then he says, “what troubles me the most is that I didn’t always think this way, that the pleasures of life and a few business deals should dull me to these thoughts that are so important.” So most people don’t think of it. But anyway, supposing you did? Well, even if you get diagnosed with cancer, you could switch to a high fiber diet, go for organic food, and that has helped a lot of people. Or, you could have an operation. The point I’m making is, even if you’re thinking of death, we always have a thought: we can delay the process, we can delay it. Somehow we’re going to beat this thing. The Rapture? No. That happens when Christ comes. He comes and it could be at any moment at such an hour as you think not. Well, Tom, I think that is the most powerful motivation for living a life for Christ, because I don’t know that I will be here tomorrow or even 10 minutes from now. So, Tom, you made a good point when you say that people who don’t understand the Rapture, they don’t believe in a pre-trib Rapture and in imminency, they’re missing out on a lot that would be very beneficial for the Christian life. Tom: You make a point in this chapter, Dave, I was looking for it, you talk about there will be believers, true believers, who sleep. But they’re going to miss the event. But, they’re sleeping. I took that as indicating they’re not watching, they’re not waiting, they’re not looking with expectation. And, there’s so much joy in that. I mean, where’s my focus if that’s what I’m doing? Dave: Complacency, Tom. You remember, I mentioned in 1970 Hal Lindsey wrote his book, The Late, Great Planet Earth, and people used to ask me in those days, you think Christ is coming, right away, if you’re looking for the Rapture? And, I would say, I hope so. I’m watching and waiting for Him, but I don’t think He’s coming now because too many people are expecting Him. That’s a tragedy. And, as you’re mentioning, unfortunately the Church is not watching and waiting. And, when you get the parable in Matthew 25, and Tom, I’ll let you comment on that and explain it, but there’s a word there, three letter word, “all,” and it says, “While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.” I hope that doesn’t mean that has to include me, or you, or our listeners out there. But I think it gives you an indication of the overall condition of the Church at the time of His return. And, Tom, I think we’re there. Tom: Well, if we’re not there, Dave, you know we keep praying and hoping, not from an escapist standpoint, just because we’re thinking about the One we love, and we want to be with Him. I think sometimes when my wife heads down to visit relatives, etc., and I know when she’s coming back because she’s telling me the date, but I keep hoping and I’m missing her, but also, Dave, because I know the date, I know the time, I don’t have that imminency, I don’t have that expectation because I know when she’ going to return. But, if I didn’t know, would I keep the house clean, would I do these kinds of things knowing that she’s going to be, or would I put it off until the last day, so? Dave: Very good. Tom, I just ask the listeners out there, ask yourself, I don’t know what churches you go to, whatever church it is, when the pastor or some preacher, whatever, when did they last talk about the imminent return of Jesus Christ to take His Bride to heaven? What kind of expectancy is there among the members there at that church, or your friends, or in your own heart? Something that speaks to my heart right now, Tom, because it’s very easy to forget and I need to be thankful to Christ every moment for what He has done in redeeming me so I’m forgiven of my sins and I’m on my way to heaven. But I also need to be looking for Him and expecting Him and anxiously awaiting His return, as the Scripture says we should.
Search the Scriptures Daily Program #4506b Transcript follows: Gary: This is Search the Scriptures Daily, a radio ministry of The Berean Call. Still ahead, answers to your questions in Contending for the Faith, and in Understanding the Scriptures, Dave and Tom will resume their conversation on God’s salvation. In addition to this radio program we publish a monthly newsletter which we make available free of charge. We also produce and distribute a wide variety of teaching materials including books in print, e-book, and audio book formats, CD’s, DVD’s and other items to encourage the serious study of God’s Word. For a complete list of materials, or to get a copy of today’s broadcast write to us at POB 7019, Bend, Oregon 97708. Call our toll free order number 877-882-4253, that’s 877-88Bible, or visit our website at www.thebereancall.org. If you would like a copy of this broadcast, ask for Program #4506, and be sure to mention the call letters of this station. And, now, if you would like to watch Dave and Tom, our weekly broadcast is available on DVD. Ask about a subscription when you contact us. You can also download both audio and video pod cast at our website. If you receive television program from Sky Angel, you’ll be able to view our video, In Defense of Israel, with former Israeli general, Shimon Erem, on November 25th starting at 9 pm eastern. We invite you to tune in. We’ll repeat this information at the end of the program. RELIGION IN THE NEWS Now, Religion in the News, a report and comment on religious trends and events being covered by the media. This week’s item is from Zenet News Service, August 23, 2006, with the “Inter-religious Meeting Planned in Assisi.” The following are excerpts. Twenty years after the World Day of Prayer for Peace, the Italian city of Assisi will again be a point of inter-religious meeting and prayer on September 4th through 5th. The World Day that Pope John Paul 2 convoked in St. Francis City in October 1986, was unprecedented. It saw gathered along the side of the pontiff representatives of the great world religions from the Dalai Lama to the Anglican Arch Bishop of Canterbury. A process got under way there which the community of St. Auzedo took especially to heart engendering in turn the international encounter of religions. These meetings have progressed year after year across Italy’s main cities and European capitols, and recently Washington D. C., offering an opportunity for dialogue and for religious differences to be surmounted. The theme of the next inter-religious world meeting, and of the Day of Prayer for Peace, which the St. Auzedo community and the Umbrian Bishops Conference are promoting is, Religions and Cultures in Dialogue for World Peace. The Rome based ecclesial movement explained that at a time marked by terrorism and war, as well as efforts towards dialogue and reconciliation, religion has assumed a prominent role in public life, and in the conflict of identities. Religions are evermore exposed to the danger of becoming instruments of extremism. Therefore, from Assisi the reflection of the world’s great religions on dialogue between cultures will be highlighted as a key to defuse the conflict of civilizations and to provide an axis of a globalization that is not merely market-driven. Tom: Dave, twenty years after the World Day of Prayer for Peace in the city of Assisi, we wrote about that, and what’s happened? Dave: We even show it in our video, A Woman Rides The Beast, there they are. Tom: You know, it seems to me, Dave, that you could go back to that meeting and bring together all of the imams, the religious clerics of Islam--- Dave: And the witch doctors. Tom: Well, just these guys, and say, Hey, how is it going, guys? What have we accomplished? Because it’s not the Roman Catholic Church that’s creating the problems with regard to wars and conflicts, it’s not the Baptists, it’s not the Hindus. O, well, in some areas there are these little conflicts, and so on, certainly Northern Ireland and India. Dave, my point here is, Islam is the problem. There were many representing the Islamic faith at Assisi. They had another one after Assisi. I don’t know how many years later it was, but now in effect, is the third one. And why don’t they just, Benedict the 16th, pull these guys aside and say, Hey, what’s going on here, let’s get with it. Rather than pray for it let’s take some action here. Dave: Well, Tom, we have a problem because Pope John Paul 2---we have many problems---but he said we are all praying to the same God, first of all. Now, they are not praying to the same God, you’ve got Hindu’s there. He had his good friend the Dalai Lama there who doesn’t even believe in God, Buddhism is basically atheism, but he is going through some hocus pocus. In fact he let him put his Buddha on the altar in St Peter’s there in Assisi, and have his monks going through their rituals. You have the Shinto’s tinkling their bells outside, and then you---We show in our video, North American Indian shaman, walking to the microphone praying to the Great Spirit, and so forth. The Pope said we are all praying to the same God, and he said our prayers are creating a spiritual energy that is bringing about a new climate for peace. Now, since then things have only gotten worse, the terrorism especially. So, but now we are going to come back and we’re going to dialogue. Tom: Dave, many people believe that religions are at the cause of most of the deaths throughout the world, and the wars, and so on. Well, that’s not true, yet today we certainly can point to Islam and the terrorism that it has promoted as the problem, so it’s a religious issue. Why can’t these guys who claim to be the religious leaders solve the problem. Dave: Tom, right there my ire rises, because this is what they say: “Religions are evermore exposed to the danger of becoming instruments of extremism.” Now, as you said, not the Presbyterians, not the Baptists, not even the Catholic church today. Religions? Which religion? Not Buddhism, not Hinduism, which religion? Islam. Well then why don’t we say it like it is? Why do we skirt around this, and President Bush keeps saying, Islam is a religion of peace. Well, Tom, we’ve talked about that a lot in the past. They’re dodging the issue. It’s not going to get them anywhere. Furthermore, it doesn’t come about by dialogue, it comes about by truth, by submission to Jesus Christ as the Savior of sinners, it’s the only hope for this world. But this gathering of these religions denies that. Tom: Dave, the last line: “Therefore, from Assisi the reflection of the world’s great religions on dialogue between cultures will be highlighted as a key to defuse the conflict of civilizations and to provide an axis of a globalization that is not merely market driven.” What does that mean? What does that have to do with prayer? But again, Dave, I think what they need to do is hustle all of these Islamic clerics that come to this and say, Come on, guys, let’s take care of this.
Search the Scriptures Daily Program #4506c Transcript follows: Gary: You are listening to Search the Scriptures Daily, a radio ministry of The Berean Call. Still to come, Dave and Tom continue their weekly in-depth study of the Doctrine of Salvation, please stay tuned. Now, CONTENDING FOR THE FAITH In this regular feature Dave and Tom respond to questions from listeners and readers of The Berean Call. Here is this week’s question: Dear Dave and Tom: “I went to your website and now I am thoroughly confused. I thought you believed in a pre-trib rapture, but I found you quoting Revelation 9:14, and stating that it refers to rapturing the church out of the Great Tribulation. Then I was shocked to learn that you don’t believe in eternal security. I know I used to have a tract by you called: Once Saved, Always Saved. I admit I haven’t followed your ministry for a while but it’s hard to believe that you’ve changed your view on those doctrines. Tom: Dave, this letter is representative of even some calls that we’ve gotten. You see, folks, if you, I hate to even give this guy the attention, but I think we need to address it. If you type in the wrong address for The Berean Call, if you type in thebereancall.com or bereancall.com, you’ll go to another web site. It seems that this individual has taken an address that is close to ours so that he can take advantage of those who want to go to our website. And the confusion is just rampant. I went to the guy’s website, there are people who write to him who use their email . . Dave: Well, Tom, let’s clarify what our address is: thebereancall.org. This man has gotten bereancall.org as one of his webs, so if you forget to put “The” in, and you just type Berean Call, Tom . . Tom: And then you end up with a website that’s called Search The Scriptures. Dave: Right. Tom: Now, I’ve seen his response to our concern about this and he says, Oh, he loves our ministry and he’s just trying to catch the crumbs that fall from our table, you know, that kind of thing. Now, Dave, seriously, this is deceit and he’s trying to deceive people by using something close to our website. And, then he’d say, well, wait a minute, is it just us that he’s taking advantage of really? No, if you typed in chicktracts.com, you’d go to his website. If you type in psychoheresy, Martin and Deidre Bobgan’s ministry Psychoheresy Awareness, if you typed in psychoheresy.com you’d go to his website. And I find on his website people are actually writing to him thinking they’re writing to us. He’s answering questions, or people on his website are answering questions, thinking that you’re responding to. Dave: Now, Tom, I spent two hours last Saturday on the phone with someone, I won’t mention the name, but this is a speaker traveling around and called me and said, “Don’t you believe in a pre-trib Rapture anymore? What is this, do you believe that the Rapture occurs at the seventh trump?” or ”I am so confused.” And I said, “Well, where have you been?” “Well, bereancall.org.” I didn’t catch it at that moment. bereancall.org. Well, that seemed to me that should be the right one. I said, “I can’t believe it. You found this on our website?” “Yes, I found it on your website.” Wow. And then, I finally realized, not thebereancall.org, but bereancall.org. And I went to it and we discussed this problem, why this person was absolutely turned inside out. Almost lost their faith. So confused. Tom, this is wicked. This man is deliberately trying to grab people who think they’re coming to our website and their getting his. Tom: Dave, not just our website, but as I mentioned, the Bobgan’s website, Jack Chick’s website, etc. And the problem here is, we have differences, I mean, aside from the deceit, we have doctrinal differences with this guy and, as you say, it’s confusing a lot of people. Now, it’s.. Dave: Tom, very serious doctrinal differences. Tom: Not only that, but you look at the correspondence, their forum, the letters that they get. There are references to you and they eliminate your last name. It’s called Dave Golly. Every time you get on the forum and refer to you, Dave Hunt, it ends up being Dave Golly. For example, Dave Golly wrote a book called A Woman Rides The Beast. Dave: No. Tom: Yeah. Dave: You’re kidding. Tom: No. So, I don’t know what the guy’s up to, but he’s not Christian. Dave: How can he do that? Tom: He professes to have integrity. There’s no integrity there and basically he’s using deceit to draw people in, which is, let him take that to the Lord. He said, well, he prayed about it originally, whether to use addresses that were close to ours and this is what the Lord had him do. Dave: I don’t know what Lord he knows, because that’s not what the Lord would have anyone do. Tom: Dave, you just talked to somebody recently that was confused about this. I went to the website and this lady writes, “Hi! I watched the video at Twin City Fellowship in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where Shimon, referring to Shimon Erem, talked about Israel. The sound system wasn’t great so I missed some of his points. Is that available to purchase?” Now, honestly, she’s referring to In Defense of Israel, the DVD that we just produced and she wants to know if she can purchase it. So, she’s at the wrong place to purchase one of our videos, DVD’s. And, somebody writes back to her and says, “I think you’re probably talking about In Defense of Israel” and then he recommends how she can go about ordering it, not telling her that she’s at the wrong website. And, again, we have deception, deceit, being furthered here. A pastor writes, “Gee, I was not aware that Dave Hunt was actually Dave Golly.” Because if you go through the forum, every time there’s a reference to Dave Hunt, they change the last name to Golly. Now, what’s that all about except utter deceit, supposedly in the name of the Lord. Dave, I don’t know where this guy’s coming from but he claims to be a Christian, professes to be doing what’s right in the Lord, but obviously he’s deceiving people. Gary: If you have a question for Dave and Tom to answer in a future Contending for the Faith, stay tuned, we’ll have our contact information at the end of the program. You are listening to Search the Scriptures Daily, a radio ministry of The Berean Call.