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Now, this week’s Cover Article. We continue our new series of programs based on Dave Hunt’s just released book with Installment #3 of Judgment Day, and along with Dave Hunt, here is T. A. McMahon:
Thanks, Gary. You’re listening to Search the Scriptures Daily, a program in which we encourage everyone who desires to know God’s truth to look to God’s Word for all that is essential for salvation and living one’s life in a way that is pleasing to Him. In this segment of our program we’ve been discussing Dave Hunt’s new book, Judgment Day, Islam, Israel and the Nations. Currently we are in chapter one, which is titled: The Stage is Set. Now Dave, last week we talked about the prophecy found in Zechariah 12:6. I’m quoting: “In that day will I make the governors of Judah like a hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about,—and then you gave some examples from the Yom Kippur War in 1973 when the nations surrounding Israel attacked the country during it’s religious holiday—Now Zechariah 12:3 says. “And in that day I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people and all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.” Now, why would God bring all nations against Jerusalem and Israel in order to put an end to them?
Dave:
Not an end to Israel of course, but an end to these nations, He’s going to punish them. Well, we touched on Joel chapter 3, verse 2, last week or the week before where God says exactly why he is going to punish the nations: I’m going to bring them there and I will plead with them, which means punish them, for two reasons: They have scattered my people around this earth, #1. Well, that’s been going on for centuries. Number two, they have divided my land—and I won’t go back over that but for the first time in history nations of this world have divided the land of Israel. The United Nations did it in UN Resolution 181, November 29, 1947, it’s called the Partition of the Land. They have divided up this land called Palestine, which was not Palestine, is not Palestine, it’s the land of Israel, but it had been renamed that by the Romans in 135 AD, in anger, and that had all been designated by the League of Nations, the Paris Peace Conference 1919, Balfour Declaration 1917, etc. That had been designated as the national homeland of the Jewish people and we went over that briefly. Britain had the mandate to see that this happened. They betrayed the Jews for oil, they let in the Arabs, they gave most of it to Jordan to pacify the Emir because he couldn’t get along with his relatives over there in Saudi Arabia and he had to have a land of his own, so they gave him what was known as Tran Jordan, then it was called Jordan. That’s on the East Bank, that belonged to Israel also, and Israel finally got 13%. So, God is going to punish the nations of this world. There is no question about it, he says it over and over, These are my people, the chosen people, 203 times God calls himself the God of Israel, and He says in Leviticus 25:23, That land is not to be sold, it’s not to be partitioned, it’s not to be traded off, forever, God says, the land is mine. So, that’s what’s going to happen. And as we read these prophecies in Zechariah 12:2,3, and in Joel 3:2, and other places. Tom, I challenge anybody to deny that these are prophecies exactly for today. As I said, the land of Israel has never been divided and it was divided by the nations of this world exactly as God said.
Tom:
Within the last 80 years.
Dave:
Less than 60 years, actually, but God also said that all the nations around Israel would be united against her, that’s happened today for the first time. Never were the nations around Israel united against her, all of her neighbors, because of Islam.
Tom:
That’s what we are leading into, enter Islam. Islam is really the root and cause of these problems.
Dave:
Zechariah 12:2, I’ll make Jerusalem a cup of trembling, that is, it will be a matter for the nations surrounding Israel to be in fear and trembling, because their military is too good for these people, you read the verse, “I’ll makes them like a hearth of fire and wood,” they will devour the nations round about. And I hope we can come back and talk just a little bit about that Yom Kippur War. And Verse 3, “a burdensome stone to all nations.” And, as we pointed out, the United Nations has spent one-third of its time debating and pronouncing and so forth, condemning this tiny nation that has one thousandth of the earth’s population, the United Nations has spent one-third of its time. And Tom, the whole world knows if you don’t solve that problem of Jerusalem, that’s the big stickler, that’s what caused Arafat to walk out in Camp David. If you don’t solve that problem, you’ve got a nuclear holocaust because these nations all around Israel are arming themselves, not for self defense, everybody knows that. Israel, of course has had to arm itself in self defense. It has nuclear missiles that it can launch from submarines—Israel has been working very diligently because otherwise they are sitting there defenseless against nations who have sworn, have sworn over and over, Tom, to annihilate them.
Tom:
Dave, that almost happened in 1973, and the nations, including the United States, had some participation in that.
Dave:
Tom, it’s a matter of shame, we ought to hang our heads, really. The Nixon White House received dozens of notices—
Tom:
With a Jewish Secretary of State no less!
Dave:
Right, received dozens of notifications from the National Security Administration (NSA) that a Jewish Pearl Harbor was about to take place—they knew the day, on October 1973. Remember? The Russians had moved all of their dependents out of that area, they knew it was going to happen. Nixon sat on those notices. Henry Kissinger, as you have mentioned, a Jew, he hid out in the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York for three days before he called the Security Council of the United Nations in an emergency session, which he should have done instantly, in fact, we should have let Israel know, but we didn’t let Israel know—I think we gave them a notice just a few hours before—it was too late, they are all on vacation, an so forth.
Tom:
Because it was Yom Kippur, a religious holiday.
Dave:
Right, and he hid out there for three days before he called the United Nations Security Council together in an emergency session. Of course Russia blocked the call for a cease fire. The nations of the world were hoping that Israel would be wiped out. Now you could say, Well, Nixon didn’t really want them to be wiped out, he just wanted them to be bloodied a bit. And we pointed it out that it cost them three thousand lives, which, comparable to the United States our population, that would have been a hundred and fifty thousand military men. And when that war ended, the Israeli tanks were on the outskirts of Damascus and Cairo and could have taken those cities. Tom, let me read just a quote from History Professor David A. Rausch about this particular war. Remember, eighty thousand Egyptians overwhelmed five hundred Israeli defenders on the Suez, and here comes fourteen hundred Syrian tanks pouring down the Golan and you've got one Israeli tank in service down there to oppose them and there were some significant advances made by the Egyptians and the Syrians in the early hours of that war before Israel could get itself mobilized. Because of that, the Arab nations, now they are all joining and they are going to get in on this slaughter. He writes, “Jordan’s King Hussein sent two of his best armored brigades to Syria. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait financially underwrote the huge cost while sending thousands of troops to fight the Israelis. Kuwait lent her British-made Lightening Jets to Egypt. Libya’s Mummar Qaddafi turned over forty French-made Mirage III fighters and 100 tanks. Iraqi MiG fighter jets as well as tanks and infantry divisions fought on the Golan Heights, while a squadron of Iraqi Hunter Jets were utilized by Egypt. Arabs predicted the extermination of the Jewish state and the ‘liberation of Palestine.’” They all joined in. I mean, We’re going to make sure we do it this time. That was the last time they have tried, since then it’s been pretend peace, but terrorism, terrorism continually putting pressure on the United Nations and the world. Oh it’s Israel’s fault, they are occupying our land—give us just a little more of that land back and then it will be okay—move the borders back to 1967, that was when Israel had to make that pre-emptive strike because all the nations around them were determined to destroy them and publicly said so, move the borders back to ’67. But the PLO was founded, Palestine Liberation Organization, was founded in 1964. If they are satisfied with the borders that they had in ’67, why did they found the PLO in ’64? Furthermore, the founding chairman is a man named (Ahmed Shucari) who in 1956, testifying to the United Nations said, There is no such place as Palestine, and he became the founding chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization. In fact, there never was such a place in Palestine, but we’ve talked about in weeks ago, I guess.
Tom:
Related to the Yom Kippur War, and going back to the war in which Israel should have been eliminated in 1948, they had nothing then, and they should have been overwhelmed and annihilated but the prophecy says—God says, I will—He is the one who is doing this.
Dave:
Exactly.
Tom:
And I think it’s demonstrated in what we have seen happen.
Dave:
Well, Joel 3:2 is a grim prophecy. It’s precise in its language. God says He’s going to punish the nations for scattering His people and for dividing His land. It’s one of the many reasons, Tom, why I believe we are really in the last days. This is not going to go on much longer because these are prophecies that are specifically for today. They have been fulfilled in the last few years, they are continuing to be fulfilled.
Tom:
But Dave, why Islam? Why is Islam so set against annihilating, destroying Israel? And by he way, many who are Muslims would claim, oh, no, no, we love Jews, we want to help them, we love America, you know, all of this.
Dave:
Tom, they talk out of both sides of their mouths, they lie.
Tom:
Unless some people who consider themselves to be Muslims and just don’t understand Islam, but which is what you are going to get at.
Dave:
Well, Tom, I like to give them the benefit of the doubt, as I like to remind myself and others that most Catholics probably don’t know what the Catholic church stands for, probably most Southern Baptists don’t know what the Southern Baptist doctrines are, they just kind of go along with it. But there are leaders who know better and they continue to say, Islam is peace. We have quoted Mohammed in the past, let’s quote him again. Mohammed said, “The last day will not come”—and let me explain what the last day is for the Muslin. Every Muslim, it’s one of the five things every Muslim must believe in, the last day is the day of resurrection when your good deeds are weighed in the balance against your bad deeds to see whether you will make it to Paradise or not. And even then you may not make it because Allah is rather, well, you can’t count on what he will do, he doesn’t go by any rules, there is no reason why he should call this a good deed and that a bad deed. We have quoted Abu Bakur Mohammed’s father-in-law, the first one to whom he promised paradise without martyrdom and Abu Bakur said, Even if I had one foot inside of paradise I couldn’t trust Allah, he might shove me out. But anyway, the last day is when, supposedly, the good deeds will be weighed in the balance before Allah, and if the good deeds outweigh the bad deeds, you’ll make it to paradise.
Tom:
Which many religious people around the world think that’s the way.
Dave:
Yeah, and Tom, it is ridiculous because you can say to the judge, Yeah, I know I was speeding last week but I’ve driven more times within the law than I have exceeding it—that’s just ridiculous. You don’t get off of having broken the law by having kept it more times than you broke it. I guess a mass murderer, you know, we’ve got a number of them now in the news who have murdered ten, twenty victims, raped them and so forth. I guess they could say, Yeah, but look at all the thousands of women that I didn’t murder an rape, surely my good deeds outweigh my bad, I’ve even been kind to people, so that won’t work. But anyway, Mohammed said, “The last day will not come until the Muslims confront the Jews and the Muslims destroy them. In that day Allah will give a voice to the rocks and the trees and they will cry out, O, Muslim, O, Abdullah, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.” Now, you can’t understand Islam unless you understand that every Jew on the face of this earth must be killed. So now, Islam teaches that this land over there that came to be called Palestine, which is really the land of Israel, belongs to the Arabs as descendents of Ishmael, claiming that they are the original Palestinians, etc., although Ishmael was not a Palestinian and we’ve gone into that, his father was from Ur of the Chaldees and his mother was an Egyptian. When Abraham arrived with his maids and men servants, and so forth, and flocks and herds, Canaan was already settled, it was the land of Canaan. So, the Arabs are not descended from the original Palestinians, there were no such people. Not until 135 AD, when the Romans re-named Israel Palestine, and who would like there? Jews, and the Jews, in fact, were called Palestinians and the Arabs even said, We are not Palestinians, the Jews are Palestinians. But anyway, they lie, they try to change history. So, Islam teaches, although the Qur’an clearly says, and I give the quotes in the book in many verses that Allah gave this land to the Jews. Nevertheless, Islam teaches that because of their sin, an so forth, that land belongs to the Arabs, that the Arabs will conquer, the Muslims will conquer the Jews, in fact they will conquer the world, therefore, so long as Israel has sovereignty over one square yard of land in the Middle East it’s an affront to Islam. It says Islam is a false religion, Mohammed is a false prophet, Allah is not the true God, the Qur’an is not the Word of the true God, they must destroy Israel, it is that simple. And all this talk about giving them a little more land, we’re going to bring peace—Tom, it’s some kind of a joke, and the world leaders know better than that.
Tom:
Dave, a couple of things, the verse that you quoted from the Hadith, this is the Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, this is not some obscure teaching. For example, if you listen to Palestinian radio over in Israel you would hear this. This is taught in the schools, this is taught everywhere.
Dave:
Taught in the United States in Muslim academies here.
Tom:
Right.
Dave:
Right, so this is their doctrine. So, anti-Semitism is satanic, all right. I think we have explained it before but Tom, I want to explain it again, why is it satanic? No one can argue with this, there is a real Satan. Anti-Semitism is one of the great proofs that God exists, that the Bible is the Word of God and that God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, because it foretells anti-Semitism. Why? Because the Messiah would come through the Jews. God promised Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that the Messiah would be from their seed. So if Satan could destroy he Jews, and you know in history many times he has tried to do that, some of it is recited for us in the Bible. If Satan could destroy the Jews, no Messiah, Satan has won his battle with God! Now, even though Christ came, the Messiah came and defeated Satan on the cross, paid the penalty for our sins so that salvation is available to mankind— If Satan could destroy the Jews today there could be no Second Coming. We believe in the Rapture, the Christians would be taken out of here, we would be in heaven, but this world would belong to Satan because there are hundreds, literally hundreds of prophecies in the Bible, promises from God that although His people would be hated and persecuted and killed like no other people, all of which has come to pass and we see it going on today. Nevertheless, He would preserve them, identifiable, ethnic group of people. In the last days He would bring them back into their own land. He would make Jerusalem a cup of trembling, as we have said, a burdensome stone, and although they will be attacked by all nations of this world God said He will destroy them and the latter end of Israel promises, many of them, will be better than the first. And the Messiah will return to rule on the throne of His father David over His people Israel and over the world. So obviously, if there are no people of Israel, if the Jews have been exterminated, as the Muslims intend to do and as the world would be happy to see, then there is no Second Coming and God has been proven to be a liar. The promises He made to Israel have not come to pass, there is no throne of David and no people of God for the Son of David the Messiah to rule over, God is a liar, the moral ground has been pulled out from under God. He can’t punish Satan as the liar and murderer because God Himself would be a liar if Israel could be exterminated.
Tom:
Dave, as you said, the battle here is between Allah and Yahweh. If the Jewish state of Israel, as you point out, isn’t crushed then Islam is a false religion, that’s really where the battle is.
Dave:
Exactly. So, this is what’s happening. Any other ideas about bringing peace to the Middle East just isn’t going to happen.
Tom:
Dave, when I was talking about the Palestinian radio and so on and television promoting this idea that every Jew must be killed— You have here in this country, you quote an Islamic committee for Palestine in Chicago, Illinois December 28-31, 1990— this is Sheikh Abdul Aziz Oudeh, one of the leaders of the Islamic Jihad movement declared, “Now Allah is bringing the Jews back to Palestine in large groups from all over the world to their big graveyard where the promise will be realized upon them and what was destined will be carried out.”
Dave:
Now of course the promise is not God’s promise! In other words they are defying the God of Israel, defying the Bible, but this is the promise that Allah has made and Muhammad has made of the extermination of the Jews and this is their destiny the Muslims believe.
Tom:
Right. Another conference in Kansas City 1989, you have a Sheikh who told a group of Muslim men, whom he was recruiting for a Holy War, “On the Hour of Judgment, Muslims must fight the Jews and kill them.”
Dave:
Tom, these facts, I lay them out in the book, many, many quotations, documentations, this is Islam, we lay it out very clearly. I don’t see how President Bush could be ignorant of this, I don’t see how the United Nations leaders could be ignorant of it, I don’t see how Putin and the European Union, those leaders could be ignorant of these facts, they ignore the Bible. See, we can’t pick and choose in the Bible, and Tom, there are many people who are real Christians who are clear on the gospel, but when it comes to Israel—and again, we quote D. James Kennedy and his theological seminary there in Florida. They put out a document saying Israel is of no significance, to suggest that there is a special people to whom a certain land belongs is just nonsense, it isn’t true. They are denying the Bible as well. And President Bush or Putin or the UN or whatever, they can justify themselves and say there are plenty of Christians out there who say Israel is of no significance, those promises you refer to in the Old Testament have been abrogated because of Israel’s sin, it’s not going to happen. So Tom, the fact is that Islam is determined to destroy Israel and any so-called peace proposal must take that into consideration. In fact, the Bible says there will be a false peace, Israel will be deceived by it and it will lead to the last war, Armageddon, which I believe is not far off on the horizon.
