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You’re listening to a special edition of Search the Scriptures Daily, a radio ministry of the Berean Call. Still ahead in this re-visit to our first program series in 1999, Religion in the News, plus answers to your questions in Contending for the Faith. And, in Understanding the Scriptures, Dave and Tom will continue their discussion of God’s salvation. In addition to this radio program, we publish a monthly newsletter which we make available free of charge. We also produce and distribute a wide variety of teaching materials including books in print, e-book and audio book formats, CD’s, DVD’s and other items to encourage the serious study of God’s Word. And, during this special representation of our first radio series, we are making a limited number of copies of Dave and Tom’s controversial classic, The Seduction of Christianity available at a great price. Only $7.50 each, including shipping in the US , while supplies last. Just ask about the radio special when you contact us. For a complete list of materials, or to get a copy of today’s broadcast, write to us POB 7019, Bend , Oregon 97708 . Call our toll free order number 1-800-937-6638, that’s 1-800-937-6638, or visit our website at www.thebereancall.org . If you would like a copy of this broadcast on compact disk, ask for Program #2508, and be sure to mention the call letters of this station. And if you would like to watch Dave and Tom, our weekly broadcast is available on DVD, ask about a subscription when you contact us. You can also download both audio and video podcast at our website. We’ll repeat this information at the end of the program. We continue now with our special revisit to 1999. Now,
RELIGION IN THE NEWS
A report and commentary on spiritual events and trends in the media. Statements issued by political leaders and celebrities can have an impact on the body of Christ. That point is highlighted by this item from The Salt Lake Tribune: “Former U. S. President, Jimmy Carter may be the nation’s most visible Southern Baptist but he does not always think like one. Among his views: We are not living in the last days. Prayers should not be mandated in school, women should be allowed in pulpits, this was never a Christian nation, and by the way, Mormons should be considered Christians. Carter compared denomination leaders who decide who can and cannot be considered an acceptable person in the eyes of God to Pharisees, who were condemned by Christ. Carter supports the idea of taking the message of Jesus Christ to all the world but objects to proselytizing meant to convert Christians from one group to another. ‘If you mean, should we Protestants devote our time to converting Catholics to be Protestants, that’s something with which I generally disagree,’ he said.” Dave and T. A. will now comment.
Tom:
Dave, this is our former President and he makes a lot of statements here, religious statements, statements that relate to spirituality that are off the wall, I think.
Dave:
Well, some of them I would certainly agree with. I don’t think we should have prayer mandated in public schools. Whose prayers are going to be? What kinds are they going to be, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims and so forth?
Tom:
Prayers mandated and coerced is no longer prayer.
Dave:
That’s right. Well, who is going to lead it and then it would be sponsored by the government and it shouldn’t be, but on the other hand, each individual should be free to pray as they want, not out loud to everybody but they could certainly bow their head and pray at any time, they should be allowed to. And I would certainly agree with him that the United States is not nor ever was a Christian country. I don’t think there is any such thing as a Christian country anywhere in the world.
Tom:
Even though there are people out there and there have been many books written saying that we are a Christian nation? Does God have a covenant with the United States of America ?
Dave:
Well, we would have to look at those issues factually and see whether these were really Christians or were they deists?
Tom:
And that will be a show that we will do down the road.
Dave Hunt:
Right. As far as what he said about Mormons, I mean, that’s astonishing. He’s an intelligent man. I can’t believe that he’s ignorant. I think he just wants to be tolerant. He surely knows that the Mormon god is a man—(I mean, there are trillions of gods out there with the god of this world, Mormons would say)—is a man with a physical body who was redeemed (he was a sinner) redeemed on another planet, by another Jesus who pulled himself up by his boot straps, became a god and now he’s the god over this world. Jesus of Mormonism, is not God who became a man, but he was a spirit being in the pre-existent world, half-brother to Lucifer as all of us are his half-brothers and sisters. His body came about when father god came with his physical body and had physical sex with Mary, so Jesus was not born of a virgin. One of the most famous sayings in Mormonism is: As man is, god once was, as god is, man may become and so the goal of Mormon males is to become another god, have another planet, another Adam and Eve, another Lucifer, another fall, another Jesus, another redemption—it’s one eternal round. And eternal life, which the Bible says is a free gift, in Mormonism you earn it. You go through temple rituals and ceremonies and so forth and eternal life to a Mormon is not living in heaven with Jesus, but it’s having your own earth, being a god over your own world, exultation to godhood. And Jesus didn’t pay for this on the Cross by His redemptive work and so forth. Mormonism is as far from Christianity as you can possibly get. So, for Jimmy Carter to say we shouldn’t be concerned about converting them, we ought to be concerned about converting them! I don’t think that he’s speaking from ignorance but from tolerance.
Tom:
Right. Well, tolerance is the problem here. It’s one of the reasons that this article made it into the further signs of the apostasy segment of our program. He makes another statement which shows, you know, I would think, tolerance, except among evangelicals this is a problem of recognizing the gospel of Roman Catholicism versus the Biblical gospel. There’s a great distinction. The gap is wide and very wide.
Dave:
It’s not an issue of converting Catholics to become Protestants, I have no interest in that. The Bible doesn’t even talk about Protestants. It’s, are we saved or are we lost, are we on the way to heaven or are we not, have we believed the gospel of Jesus Christ that saves or have we believed the false gospel of rituals and works? I believe that we can demonstrate very thoroughly from their own writings, not from ex-Catholics but from their own writings, that Catholicism is a religion where you earn your way to heaven by the sacraments and your good deeds and so forth. But that again is another issue. It would take more time to deal with it.
Tom:
And we will be dealing with these issues, if the Lord tarries, in the days ahead.
Dave:
Probably the most shocking thing about the article is that Jimmy Carter continues to be a member of the Southern Baptist Convention, that they haven’t excommunicated him. I would think that they should have by now. You would have to wonder does he really know the gospel to make statements like this. Is he really saved himself? Now, that’s not for my opinion, the issue is does he really believe the gospel that saves? and that’s a matter of fact and of faith.
