Gary :
You are listening to a special edition of Search the Scriptures Daily, a radio ministry of The Berean Call. Still ahead, Dave and Tom continue their weekly in-depth study of the Doctrine of Salvation, please stay with us. We return now to our program series from 2000 and:
CONTENDING FOR THE FAITH
In this regular feature, Dave and Tom respond to questions from listeners and readers of The Berean Call. Here’s this week’s question: Dear Dave and Tom, I’d like to share an experience I had while attending a student music concert at a Christian school and get your comments. While many of the songs were lovely, I almost fell out of my seat upon hearing the first line of “Amazing Grace.” The lyrics were changed from “Amazing grace, how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me,” to “Amazing grace, how sweet the sound that saved someone like me.” Since when have sinners saved by grace been upgraded from wretches?
Tom:
Dave, the first thing that hits me in this question is amazing grace has been downgraded. That is its not so amazing if the person wasn’t so bad after all.
Dave:
Right. It’s part of the influence of psychology in the church. We don’t want to be negative; we don’t want to put anybody down. Some Christian psychologists go so far as to suggest that you couldn’t even believe that God loves you if you’re unworthy of His love, if you’re wretched. You’ve got to feel that you’re good enough for God to want to save you. That Christ didn’t die for sinners, He died for somebodies. It supposedly gives us a sense of self worth so we can love ourselves and feel good about ourselves and that’s why apparently God loves us. But love isn’t dependent upon the object of love; true love doesn’t just love the lovely; the loveable, but love is in God and God is love. Christ died for sinners, He did die for wretches, and this is what the Bible says. Christ Jesus came into the world to save somebodies or someones? No, to save sinners. If I am not a sinner, I don’t need to be saved. That’s the whole point of the Bible.
Tom:
Dave, Ephesians:2:1-3 [1] And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[2] Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
[3] Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
I mean it just lays it all. We are dead in trespasses and sin, we once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, we were sons of disobedience, we are after the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature the children of wrath.
Dave:
And you’re getting this out of the Bible—all this negative stuff? Amazing, isn’t it?
Tom:
Yeah. It doesn’t give a very good image of me. But it certainly exalts, it certainly makes grace “amazing.”
Dave:
Yes it does. And it exalts God for loving us and that Christ would stoop so low, you know? Some would try and say well the price He paid on the cross, that shows what you’re worth and that ought to make you feel good. No, the deeper He had to sink into the horror of what we are—the worse the penalty that He had to pay, which is beyond our comprehension—that stuff doesn’t make me feel good about myself, it’s because I’m unworthy and that gives me a love for God that I couldn’t otherwise have and it’s cause for rejoicing.
Tom:
Well, let’s take John Newton for example, the writer who wrote the hymn “Amazing Grace.” Here’s a guy, I mean he’s a slave trader, a reprobate. He’s absolutely without any redeeming social value as they might say. Why does he write this song? Why does he call himself a wretch? Because he was! Because he recognized how amazing God’s grace is and was.
Dave:
Not only was, but is. Paul said I am less than the least of all saints. He said I am the chief of all sinners. We don’t get beyond that. I will always be a sinner saved by grace. That is what God has done for me.
Tom:
Yes, but psychology would say oh don’t think like that, because if that’s the way you think, then your thinking is going to lead to how you are going to act and how you are going to perform and that’s not good.
Dave:
I tell you, it gives you a greater gratitude, a greater love for God that He would do this for me? Well, Tom let’s put it like this: God speaking through Jeremiah said: The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it? I the Lord search the heart. David in Psalm 139 said “Search me O God and know my heart.” I don’t even know how wicked I am because my heart is deceitful. I don’t even understand sin. I mean, I can think I am doing pretty well, but if I could see things from God’s standpoint… He dwells in a light that no man can approach unto. Whom no man hath seen or can see… God is so far beyond us that for me to imagine that I am doing okay—and sin is defined as coming short of the glory of God—I don’t even understand how short I come from God’s glory! So to try and build me up, to make me feel that then it would be worth it for Christ to die for me—no, He save a wretch. And a wretch is more wretched than he understands, so that song ought to have been made worse and not try to make it better.
Tom:
Right. Dave, let me close with a quote from John Newton. Now you talked about being 74, this is when he was 82. He writes: My memory is nearly gone, but I remember two things. That I am a great sinner and that Christ is a great Savior.
Dave:
Amen!
