The truth is that both Dawkins and Gould were partially right and partially wrong. Dawkins’s belief is often called “scientism,” the idea that materialistic science [1] is the only truth and therefore everything must be describable in its terms. That belief is easily refuted. If Dawkins disputes this fact and considers belief in anything nonmaterial (i.e., spiritual) to be “nonsense,” let him give the world a physical description of “nonsense.” Of course, he can’t.