How Many Times Did The Cock Crow?

Dave:

Well, first of all, Matthew, Luke and John don’t say once, they say the cock shall not crow until you deny me thrice.  Now what that is saying is the time for the cock crowing.  I think one of the gospels refers to it this way, the cock crowing, there’s a time in the morning when you call it the cock crowing.  It’s not just one cock, they are just crowing away.  So the Bible says, before the time of the cock.  Matthew, Luke and John say, before the time of the cock crowing, when they all start crowing you will deny Me trice.  Now, Mark is a little bit more specific, and it’s quite interesting, because Jesus is being very gracious to Peter; He said, the cock will not crow twice before you deny Me, thrice.  Now you read the book of Mark, and you find that a rooster crowed, apparently an hour too early.  For the first time Peter denied his Lord, it says, immediately the cock crew, the rooster crowed.  And that should have been a warning to Peter. But he persisted, and then it’s an hour later before all the roosters began crowing at once.  There’s not a contradiction, in fact it gives us an insight into the grace of God and the warning that He gave.  That’s a very strange thing to say, the rooster won’t crow twice until you deny Me trice.  Wait a minute, when a rooster starts crowing they all start crowing.  So this is a very specific example of the accuracy of scripture, in fact, not a contradiction.  

Tom:

Dave, one of the things that we have to learn when reading God’s Word, there’s figurative language, metaphors, symbolic language, and then there are things that we are to take literally.  Sometimes we do get confused because we want to take something very literally that was not meant to be taken literally, and sometimes we just do the opposite.  We begin to spiritualize or make into a metaphor something that was not the reason it was intended.

Dave:

Well, every time you examine a supposed contradiction in the Bible, I have a thick file of what the skeptics, atheists have tried to say.  You examine it a little further, or you get additional information, sometimes the archeologists have to dig up something else, you realize the Bible is true.  Now why are these apparent contradictions in there?  I think there is only one reason and that is to cause us to search a bit deeper, and to see that this book was inspired of God, it’s written by eyewitnesses.  If you went into a court of law, we’ve probably mentioned this before, and you had 4 witnesses, each one parrots exactly what the other one says, then I think it’s a setup.  But if the 4 witnesses seem to contradict one another at key points even, you think, wait a minute! We’ve got a contradiction here, but when you examine further you find out, in fact they are in agreement, although they are saying it in a different way, and from a different perspective, then you’ve got a solid case.  And I believe that’s why the Bible gave these apparent contradictions in there.  You’ve got some serious ones that we could mention if we had time, but we don’t.  But like in Luke 3, you’ve got some serious contradictions apparently.  It tells you that in the 15^th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, that’s Luke 1, we go down to verse 30, or thereabouts, Jesus was 29 years old.  Well, he says he’s about 30, so He must be 29 going on 30. You look it up in the history books they would tell you that Tiberius Caesar began the reign in 14 AD, so the 15^th year of his reign would be 29 AD.  So Jesus was 29 in 29 AD, so he must have been born in 0, and that’s where the Catholic calendar came from, only it’s wrong, because you know from Matthew 2, He was born in the days of Herod the King, Herod the Great, and Herod the Great died in 4 BC, the historians are pretty well agreed on that.  So how could Jesus be born in 0, when He was born in the days of Herod and Herod died in 4BC, and when you figure it out, the time it took the wise men to come and so forth, I think Jesus was born in 5 BC.  And then, Luke 2 says He was born in the days of Cyrenius, when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.  Well, you look it up in the history books, governor of Syria from 6 AD to 20 AD.  Now we’ve got a problem!  Jesus was born in 0, but he was born in the days of Herod who died in 4 BC, but he was born when Cyrenius was governor of Syria, but he was governor 6 AD—we’ve got real problems.  Well, what do you know!  When you dig into it a little deeper you find out, Will Durant, the great historian, quotes the citizens of Rome in 9 AD:  They are upset, they say, Augustus is still prince but he’s so elderly and ill that Tiberius has already taken over.  So if Tiberius took over in 9 AD that moves the birth of Jesus back 5 years.  Well, we reconciled that, what do you know, the archeologist dug a little bit deeper, the historians, and they found out Cyrenius was governor of Syria twice, the first time from about 5 BC till 1 BC.  So we reconciled it, but the Bible put that in there so you would know this is written by eyewitnesses, it is true, examine it, check it out.  And you’ve got names and places where they were, the governor, the Caesar, the tetrarch, technical terms, technical titles, and names of the people who held those offices in those places at that date!  You can’t escape it, it’s written by witnesses and it’s true!