Why Do We Even Talk About UFOs?

In this regular feature, Dave and Tom respond to questions from listeners and readers of The Berean Call.  Here is this week’s question.  Dear Dave and TA:  “I just started receiving your newsletter and I noticed that you offer some materials related to UFO’s.  I was a bit disappointed because I consider all that stuff to be on the lunatic fringe.  Why would you guys condescend to carry such stuff?  To me, it just reduces your credibility.”

T. A. McMahon:

Well, this person, I can understand that he doesn’t like things that he considers to be fringe, but UFO’s are hardly fringe.  We’re spending megabucks searching for extraterrestrials.  We have radio telescopes; we have Arecibo in Puerto Rico; we’ve got all kinds of things as well as

Roswell, New Mexico, it’s a shrine, Dave!

Dave Hunt:

But Tom, first of all, the gentleman doesn’t know what we offer, so he doesn’t know what we are saying about UFO’s.  So, whoever this was, I think they went off half-cocked.  They should, first of all find out.

T. A. McMahon:

Well, what do we offer and why?

Dave Hunt:

Tom, why don’t you tell us?  We have a video, I know.

T. A. McMahon:

We have videos and we have some books, but the point of the books is that we believe, bottom line, that UFO’s, the whole extraterrestrial idea is a deception.  It’s a demonic deception.  Now somebody says how can you figure that?  Well Dave, we have talked about this on other programs and the material we offer underscores this.  The cosmic gospel—every person supposedly, who has had contact, you know, a close encounter of the third kind with supposed extraterrestrials, gets the cosmic gospel which is the antithesis of biblical Christianity.  As a matter of fact, it’s representation of the four lies that Satan presented to Eve, that we would never die, that we could be as gods and on and on and on, that there is secret knowledge, occult knowledge and so on.

Dave Hunt:

Well Tom, let me just summarize very quickly.  Jacques Vallée, if anybody saw Close Encounters of the Third Kind, he was Lacombe, the French scientist and he was the real man behind that.  One of his many books—he’s a top scientist—

T. A. McMahon:

Yes, of computer science.

Dave Hunt:

Computer science and an astrophysicist, and he lays out four things and the book is called, Messengers of Deception.  He says, number one, they are real.  We’ve had too many competent observers, we’ve tracked them on radar and an entire SWAT team in Atlanta, Georgia, saw one as big as a football field hovering right over them.  They are real.  Not all of the sightings are real; most of them are not, but they are imagination and so forth.  Number one, they are real.  Number two, they are not physical.  We’ve tracked them doing 7000 miles an hour on radar and making a ninety degree turn without slowing down.

T. A. McMahon:

Which is impossible.

Dave Hunt:

Impossible for physical objects.  The one in Atlanta that the SWAT team saw, it suddenly took off, but it didn’t make any sound.  It went at incredible speed way beyond the speed of sound.  It went through the sound barrier and didn’t make a sound.  They leave impressions; they even leave radiation and so forth.  How can that happen? By hypnosis.  You can hypnotize a person; tell them they’ve got a cat on their lap.  Everybody is laughing because nobody else sees it but they see it.  They are petting it and they hear it purr and so forth.  Now, then the hypnotist can command that cat to scratch the person and then wake them up and there are scratch marks on their cheek wherever the cat scratched.  Now, we know that this is an occult phenomena and it happens under hypnosis and so forth.

T. A. McMahon:

Now Dave, I just want to throw this in.  You mentioned, [the] occult.  They were likened a UFO manifestation is very much like a poltergeist effect that people recognize in haunted houses and so on.

Dave Hunt:

Right.  Okay, so Jacque Vallée says,—he’s not a Christian, he’s a secular scientist, he’s the top researcher in this—they’re real, they are not physical, number three, he says they are messengers of deception.  There is something behind this.  They are not telling us the truth about themselves.  In fact, number four, he says they are setting us up for some ultimate delusion that is too horrible even to imagine as yet.

T. A. McMahon:

When you add the cosmic gospel, this is the message that these supposed alien beings present. It’s again, absolutely contrary to God’s Word.

Dave Hunt:

Then you have—Tom, I was a speaker at a UFO convention, believe it or not, sponsored by Rockefeller money in part. Government people were there and there were people there who claimed to have been abducted.  There was the psychiatrist from Harvard, who has regressed people back into the past and interestingly, it’s only under hypnosis but they come out with these experiences, which again, you can come out with anything under hypnosis.  But there is an occult power that is not of this world; it is demonic and it has a purpose and it is setting us up for a delusion.  One of the delusions is, I think it could be an explanation for the rapture, suddenly a hundred million people, or however many, vanish and where do they go?  Somebody snatched them—”Beam me up, Scotty.”  We have this whole mind set today and President Carter, you remember, sent a message out on the gold record on Voyager:  Anybody out there that finds this, we are a friendly group and we want to join an intergalactic community, this is our hope.  So, it’s something that people really believe in and it could set us up for a great delusion.  So, I think we need to know something about them.

T. A. McMahon:

Exactly, especially that it’s because it’s a religious delusion we are seeing that more and more and something that we need to address.

Dave Hunt:

Right.