Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T. A. McMahon, and in this program we are addressing biblical eschatology—what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ.
My partner in this discussion in Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment.
Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our ongoing discussions of where the world and Christendom are headed according to the Scriptures as history draws to a close.
Carl: It’s good to be back, Tom.
Tom: Much of the information that we’ve been presenting in this series is taken from four books: your book, Carl, Game of Gods; America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice; Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict; and most importantly, the Bible, which is God’s direct communication to mankind. And thus far in this series, we’ve been discussing Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict by Samuel Andrews, which he wrote in 1898, and America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice: The Rise of New Age Shamanism written by Dave Hunt and T. A. McMahon in 1988. And now we’re focusing on Carl Teichrib’s book Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment.
Carl, last week—and this point is so important that, folks, you’re going to be hearing it every time that we have the privilege of having this dialogue, having this discussion, and it has to do with oneness and otherness. Carl, could you remind us what those terms mean?
Carl: Sure. It’s important that your audience understand that as you scratch through what worldviews look like, when you go right through everything down to its core, you are left with two options: the dominant world option, the dominant worldview that is now in play is the idea of oneness. And oneness is this: it implies that God, nature, and man are all intrinsically one. There is no fundamental difference. Each of the realms are bound together at their core. In other words, nature is divine, God is nature, creation and Creator—there are no distinctions between the different aspects of what we understand the universe to be. God is the same as the universe.
The biblical worldview is, “No, no, God is other. He is different. He is distinct.” Reality, therefore, is comprised of two: Creator and creation.
And that is something so important for your audience to understand. How you view these two options—either otherness or oneness—will determine your thoughts on ethics, law, morality, gender issues, sexuality, politics, education, values…Tom, I can’t think of anything that isn’t touched by how you will accept either otherness or oneness.
And realistically, we have been in a conflict between these two opposing worldviews since Genesis 3, which is the first example of oneness—Eve taking the fruit and in essence saying, “I will be as God.” That was the lie held out to her, that she could become one with divinity.
And this plays out all the way through—through Eastern mysticism, the New Age movement…even the world of atheism ultimately takes on that oneness perspective, because it says that man is the measure of all things. There is nothing higher than man ultimately. There is nothing higher than our intelligence. Well, at that point, we have put ourselves up in our own temple, the temple of man.
Tom: Mm-hmm. And as we’ve been talking about over a number of programs prior to this, it all has to do with pantheism, that God is all and in all and is everything, and everything is God. It’s as simple as that. But it is so antichrist, so contrary to the God who communicates to us. As we mentioned earlier, God has communicated to us directly.
Last week, as you remember, I went through…I think it was Isaiah 45, and how many times God says, “I alone am God. There is no other.” And certainly Christians have a—hopefully, true Christians, Bible-believing Christians, understand that. Nevertheless, there are so many things out there that would draw us into the “force,” things that we, you know, that come in by osmosis and are absolutely diametrically opposed to the God of the Bible.
So anyway, that’s an important thing. And as I said, folks, because this is such a central issue, that this is something that’s part of the deception, the seduction that’s going on, we have to keep reminding ourselves as well as the people that we’re privileged to speak to through this discussion, these discussions that we’re having.
The other thing…go ahead, Carl.
Carl: I was just going to say, Tom, that while oneness and otherness seems simplistic, how it plays out—and this goes with your point that you were making—how it plays out becomes quite complex, becomes quite involved. There’s nuances in how this ends up living itself out as people adopt these worldviews without ever acknowledging or even recognizing that they’ve done so.
Carl: And so it’s soaked into us, it’s already soaked into our culture.
Tom: Okay, which brings up another point that we addressed last week, and that has to do with our children. They are becoming—they’re being targeted, folks, as a conduit of Eastern mystical concepts and practices. Well, what am I talking about? Well, kindergarten children are taught to meditate, middle schoolers are told that they are destroying the planet, high school kids are looked to for their solutions to saving “Mother Earth.” This is all part of that, what you’ve described. So reducing the number of people on earth and stopping humanity’s contributions to global warming are among priorities of our planet-saving indoctrinated youth, which you described and maybe we can add some more to it, Carl.
But we also address that briefly at the close of the program, so how about the suggestions that included the launching of youth-based United Nations setting up international student conferences to show the adult world what needs to be done, starting “SCRM” clubs—S, students; C, concern; R, regarding environment; and M, Mother Earth. That’s SCRM clubs, okay? Developing and…developing school-based interfaith groups in global citizens cells. Others talked of establishing a global citizenship day and fostering earth pride—you gave us some examples of that, and I don’t mind you repeating them because this is really important. This is really critical.
But here’s something—a couple of things. Well, there was another suggestion as to a lobby for the creation of a global ministry—ministry, right?—for planetary preservation. Folks, this is religion. This is a religious view. Participating…the high school recommended a youth communications network to coordinate student-directed global citizenship programs. And it was noted, and I’ve got a quote here—I hope this really hits us, folks—it was noted that if a child’s values could be changed in the classroom, then family attitudes would shift also. So this is the scheme, and it really is a scheme.
Here’s a quote from Benjamin Kidd. I don’t know him, Carl, but maybe you could give us a little background. Here’s his quote: “The influence of a collective ideal imposed on the minds of the young under conditions of emotion [under conditions of emotion] is incalculable.”
Carl, you know, we have five children. You know, we love our kids, but young people are all about emotions! So they are ripe for being manipulated emotionally, right?
Carl: Absolutely. I’m glad you brought up Benjamin Kidd.
Just to back up briefly, the ideas that you are presenting, that you are reading, were ideas that came out at Global Citizenship 2000 Youth Congress, which took place in ’97. That was the first event, international event, I had attended doing boots-on-the-ground research to see, okay? I had been hearing all about this. I’d been reading about global oneness, I’d been reading about global unity, but that was the first event I attended to actually watch this in motion. And the emotional appeal that was brought forward for young people—and young people are susceptible to that. There is a heightened sense of justice, there is a sense in a young person’s mind that we can change the world, and if you can grab that, if you can hold onto that, if you can shape it, that becomes a powerful tool for social transformation.
So Benjamin Kidd, he was a British social thinker from the turn of the last century. This is the book I was quoting from—you can see it doesn’t have, really, a cover on it. It’s an old book. It’s been well-bookmarked because, my goodness, he just lays things out. This is what he said—again, keep in mind, this is…actually, I’ll give you the date: this is 1918. He talks about the winning type of power:
“The winning type of power rests on the principle which subordinates us to the universal. Give us the young, give us the young, and we will create a new mind and a new earth in a single generation.” Then he goes on to say, “Power in its highest expression is a science of organizing the individual mind in the service of the universal.”
That struck me, Tom: “Give us the young, give us the young, and we will create a new mind and a new earth in a single generation,” and, “This becomes the highest expression of power as we collectively shape this towards the universal.”
That was the Global Citizenship Youth Congress I attended! That’s the high school curriculums now in play, teaching global citizenship values. That’s what’s happening already at the youngest age as we see students being taught to embrace earth loyalties, Eastern mysticism, being taught to embrace the idea that they can change the world—not just change the world, Tom, they save the world.
Tom: Carl, you know, I think back to my college days, just to show people how these ideas are not new, but they’re being given more power. For example, Paul Ehrlich, Zero Population Growth—folks, I’m in my 70s, okay? You figure, “Okay, well, that never really happened.” During my college days, the population was I think 3-and-a-half billion, something like that. It’s doubled. It has doubled, all right? What have been the effects of that? Aside from the publicity related to it, you’d be hard to point to. Obviously there’s areas of starvation. We can have seasons in which, you know, the development of food may—it may have something to do with people being fed and so on. But nevertheless, we’re talking double the population—over 7.9 billion people on this planet. So they want to cut that back, all right? On what basis? On the basis of their worldview, as you’ve been describing and so on. No, no.
Then we could go to global warming or climate… All these things have to do with…they don’t go away, even though the basis for it is not there. But it doesn’t…
Tom: …make any difference, they’re going to still throw up these numbers and so on and so forth. But if you take a look at it, really study it, it doesn’t make any sense. But it does fit into what you’ve been talking about, Carl, what you’ve described for us.
Now, here’s the other part of it—so we have young people getting back to the emotions side of it. You gave some examples last week of teenagers in tears because they’ve been told how they’re destroying not just some abstract concept, but Mother Earth!
Tom: And Mother Earth is weeping over this. You want to talk about feeding that! Or a mother that has—a teacher, you remember?—five children, and she’s in deep conflict over that.
Now, again, folks, how does this relate to things that are going on? Well, why don’t we try abortion? How many have thought about abortion with regard to not just the mother and being in charge of her own body and all of that, but how about reducing the population? Folks, these things don’t just pop up. There’s a concerted effort to present these things no matter how bogus they are, no matter how wrong—not just unbiblical, but just stupid! But nevertheless, strong delusion is prevailing for us.
Carl: Well, if you worship creation, if your focus becomes to the created world rather than the [Creator]—and Paul brings this out in Romans 1—there is a mind change. There is a mind change, there is a change in social structures…Paul even brings up there’s a change in our sexual behaviors. We see the world shift and change based on the fact that we are engaged in an act—an ultimate act, I would say—of transgression against God. We are putting upon ourselves the qualities that He is the one who’s supposed to move forward. He’s the one who does save the world. He is our Savior! We are saying, “No, look, we save the world. We offer a salvation plan. Our salvation plan is global oneness, coming together, saying the world needs to unify. We will save the planet, and by saving the planet, we save ourselves.” I’ve heard this, Tom, so often!
What strikes me is this: it’s an act of divine identity theft.
Carl: We are taking upon God what is rightfully His, and we are saying that we can do it. We raise ourselves up by our bootstraps. No, we don’t! All we do when we play those games of gods is we tend to impose ourselves on others and we make a bigger mess of it than we ever did before!
History is rife with examples of what happens when we try to create a system where we save ourselves—social justice or through the teachings of Karl Marx or through the Green Movement. Whatever it is, when we play those games of gods, then it becomes a bloody utopian nightmare. That’s what it ends up becoming.
Tom: Right. And as we’ve talked about before, Carl—so give me an example of where they’ve had some success in this. No! It’s not there! We’ve mentioned—I don’t want to pick on India, but nevertheless, their religious system, which is the heart of all of this—pantheism, even reincarnation, okay? So they even call it—Gandhi called it samsara, the wheel of sorrows! It didn’t work for him and it doesn’t work.
Nevertheless, it “saves” a person—I shouldn’t even use that word—from submitting to the God of all creation, the God who loves us so much that He sent His only begotten Son to pay the full penalty for our sins. Why wouldn’t you want that?
Salvation…just let me…
Carl: Yeah, yes.
Carl: I can understand the appeal, Tom, in that in this worldview of oneness, there is this sense of “I can do something. It’s on my shoulders. I have to do something. We have to do something.”
Now, of course, today’s operating word is we. And so there’s a sense of meaning and purpose that this gives to the individual, especially those who are highly charged towards the idea of global oneness. Now all of a sudden you have a roadmap of purpose. There’s meaning, there’s…you see this as a form of value, and that itself is very attractive, especially in a culture that, in the postmodern mindset, has been saying for so long, “There really is no ultimate value. Whatever you want to decide to be valuable is valuable.” But now all of a sudden, we see a trajectory. We have a movement.
I contest, and I write about this in—I can’t remember which chapter, I think it’s chapter 7 in my book—that if you want to see in our time where this really, really hit us right between the eyes and we didn’t even see it, we didn’t recognize it, our…the churches not only remained silent but in some cases was complicit with it, that was the very first environmental teach-in, 1970, which became Earth Day. My goodness, if you want to see how this has shaped our culture and our time, just spend a little bit of time in April around public schools. Read the newspapers, check out what’s happening in the media, and this is being reinforced. We need to save the “mother,” we need to save our goddess. We need to save…
Now, it’s not often that they use the term “mother goddess,” they’ll use the term Mother Earth, or they’ll say Gaia, because Gaia is the Greek goddess of the mother. She is the mother goddess of the world in terms of the Greek pantheon. But back in 1970 when the first Earth Day took place, and it was a teach-in first, approximately 20 million Americans participated in it. Literally tens of thousands of high school and university students were given the Environmental Handbook, which was prepared specifically for that event. And as you go through it, you realize very quickly, first of all, Christianity is to blame. It brings that out. It brings that out loud and clear. Then it offers alternatives for how to rebuild a religion or restructure a religion, and it is to adopt Eastern concepts, Eastern beliefs. And to put our service now not towards God or the Creator, not towards that. Our service and our loyalty, our allegiance, is now to the earth.
Okay, this was happening in schools in 1970—1970! This copy was from my high school, and I live out in the middle-of-nowhere, Manitoba, and it was being used here! So the culture was already being prepped. Your generation, Tom, and I’m not that far behind you, but your generation was already being prepped, and it just expands itself, it gains momentum. And I’m sad to say, but I don’t see the Christian community, and specifically church leadership, really understanding or grasping what has happened in the last 50 years, and standing up and even asking questions. Are the accusations in this movement even accurate? Because if they’re not, if they’re not accurate, and if the worldview behind it is about this worldview, why are we following what the world dictates?
Carl: Why are not just following, why are we embracing it?
Tom: Right. See, again, you have to use this term—it’s ignorance. It’s not being willing to think through these things biblically. It’s not a matter of, well, we can come up with this because, you know, we’re sharp, we’re intelligent, and all that stuff. No, it’s simply a matter of being a Berean! You know, we talk about false doctrines and false teachings. But do we apply them to the antichrist ideas that are being promoted?
As I mentioned earlier, you know, we’re having an election coming up pretty soon. Well, some of the issues are abortion, climate change, all these things. Hey, wait a minute! This has been going on (especially in this country) from…you know, I wasn’t a believer till I was in my 30s. But nevertheless, these things are still there, and they’re continuing to develop. They’re continuing to impose themselves, and now with more power.
We could talk about the UN—yeah, you know, our president has been dealing with the UN on many issues and so on, but guess what? They have world control. They have Robert Mueller, you know, as the assistant secretary to the head of…was! You know, no longer. But didn’t he develop many of the departments of the UN?
Carl: Yeah, he developed 11 UN agencies, 11 UN specialization agencies.
Tom: Yeah, so there’s new power behind it. And as you said, if the church—the church has to deal with a lot of things, but I’m talking… When I say the church, whether you call it a remnant or you call it biblical, truly biblical, Christians, they have to deal with this. At least make their families—I’m talking about individuals…the fathers would be the spiritual leaders of their household. They need to talk to their children about this.
You know, sadly—well, many are being homeschooled now, which is a better deal, but if they’re in public schools, they need to be there with them and see how they’re being, as we said before, seeing how they’re being converted. And we can start at the preschool and the kindergarten and work our way up through all of it. That’s just an important thing.
Carl: You know, it’s important for people to recognize as Christians that this movement…and I’m going to go back a little bit.
Tom, I’ve been doing this kind of research since the early 1990s, and then full time since 1997. I remember when I began diving into these subjects—now 25 years ago—and having people say to me, and specifically pastors saying, “Well, this is a waste of time. Why are you studying this? I don’t see any value in it.” What is ironic is their own children were being indoctrinated already into that worldview in the public school system, and we just weren’t willing to see it.
So it’s been there. It’s been in front of us for a long time. And it’s imperative that we within the Christian community—and this is going back to the importance of oneism and otherness—is to be able to instill an understanding of that basic foundational truth that God is distinct, that He is unique, that He is separate, that He is the only one who is divine.
Let me read you a quote from Robert Mueller—this is when he told the children at the Global Citizenship 2000 Congress, and I have it written in my…in chapter 2 of the book (keep in mind again, this is a congress of about 300 children):
“You’re not children of Canada, you are really living units of the cosmos, because the earth is a cosmic phenomenon. We are all cosmic units. This is why religions tell you: you are divine. We are divine energy. It is in your hands whether evolution on this planet continues or not.”
Notice now also the salvation aspect? “It’s up to you, Tom; it’s up to you to help bring about evolution.”
Now, all this fit with what he was describing in his book New Genesis, and I’ve got a section quoted out of that. Allow me to read a little piece, because it fits:
“Humankind is seeking no less than its reunion with the divine, its transcendence into ever higher forms of life. Hindus call our earth Brahma, or god, for they rightly see no difference between our earth and the divine. This ancient, simple truth is slowly dawning upon humanity. It’s full flowering will be the real great new story of humanity as we are about to enter our cosmic age and to become what we were always meant to be: the planet of God.”
Tom: Right. It reminds me of, you know, in Hinduism there’s a saying: “Atman [that is, the individual soul] is Brahman.” In other words, another way of saying that we are God. And…no. No. It’s a lie.
Carl: It is. And this is why it’s important as Christian parents, we take our calling, our responsibility seriously to make sure that we have instilled in our children the difference between what the world is saying and what the Bible tells us.
Carl: Because the Bible is the revelation given [by] God, a revelation from a Personality who is different and distinct than the creation itself.
Tom: Right. You know, I’m sure we’ll get into this down the line, but one of the main distinctions is we have a personal God. And when we come into a relationship with Him by believing what His Son Jesus has provided for us—eternal life through His sacrifice on the cross, paying the full penalty for our sins—we have a personal, intimate relationship with the God of all creation, with Jesus Christ. What do they have? A force? You want to have a personal, intimate relationship with a force? It’s…you know. And again, it’s turned to self, and it doesn’t work! It doesn’t make sense.
But nevertheless, this is the lie, that we will be as gods, which you mentioned Genesis 3, to Eve. And it runs through the end. We’ve talked about the Antichrist: he sets himself up in the temple of God to be worshipped as God. And the conditioning, the preparation is to get people to buy into that, and they’ve been working at it—well, as I said, as we’ve discussed—through our children certainly, but through us in so many ways.
But, Carl, we’ve got about five minutes left, and I want to remind you of something which I want to talk about—I want to talk about next week, but I want you to give us some insight. We’ll get into more depth. You gave us Game of Gods—that’s the first part of your title. But what about the subtitle, The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment? Hey, what’s that all about?
Carl: It’s a strange-sounding subtitle, I will grant anybody that! They would be absolutely accurate in saying, “What is this??”
Let me read you what Vladimir Lenin, the founder of the Soviet Union, said as he was describing and discussing the creation of a new mind, a new man, a new Soviet order, because it fits. It fits with the subtitle. Lenin said this: “Yes, we’re going to destroy everything, and on the ruins we will build our temple.”
The Temple of Man, that first part of the subtitle, is the idea that through our actions, our collective work, we will create this great edifice. We would look at this as Christians as Babel 2.0. That’s really what this is, it’s Babel 2.0. But it’s no longer just a Soviet story, it’s no longer just a Mao Chinese story, it’s no longer just India’s story, it’s now the world’s story, and it will look different than some of the experiments in that story that took place last century. But it’s the idea that man will create our new edifice, our new temple, our new construction. We worship the works of our hands and the fact that we save ourselves and we save our planet, and we arise—we arise in this divine adventure together, this sense of the universal, what Benjamin Kidd called the “power of the universal.”
And then re-enchantment—The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. I make the argument that we’re past postmodernism. Postmodernism ultimately said that there is no meaning; all we have are questions but no real answers. It was a rejection of authority, a rejection of authority and a rejection of power claims, yet at the same time postmodernism put in play the quest to find new meaning, new purpose, a new understanding. And so that’s re-enchantment: we will find wonder again, we will find meaning and purpose specifically within the creation itself, and the concept of re-enchantment brings that forward. And so the temple of man is simply this: Babel 2.0, enchanted with itself.
Carl: And that really is the game of gods.
Tom: Right. And that brings us to the end of our discussion here timewise. And, folks, I hope you keep joining us for this, because it’s—not just because I’m involved or Carl’s involved—this is really critical stuff. This is really important stuff. We don’t have to bathe in it, okay, but we have to understand it. Ignorance does no good for anyone.
And, you know, Carl’s been blessed to give us his book. Dave and I had the privilege of America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice, which 30-some years ago lays out much of this. And certainly we go back to Samuel Andrews’ book Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict. So there’s information there, and of course as I’ve said, this is based on our view, and it’s not just our view, but the view of the Word of God, the Scriptures.
So, Carl, again…go ahead.
Carl: Yes, just to wrap it up, can I read you a quick scripture? Because it fits…it’s the antidote.
Carl: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up.”
Tom: All I can say is amen, and amen! Carl, thanks. Look forward to next week, the Lord willing!
Carl: Thank you, Tom.